You're right, push is a minor missed-optimization with all 4 major x86 compilers. There's some code-size, and thus indirectly performance to be had. Or maybe more directly a small amount of performance in some cases, e.g. saving a sub rsp instruction.
But if you're not careful, you can make things slower with extra stack-sync uops by mixing push with [rsp+x] addressing modes. pop doesn't sound useful, just push. As the forum thread you linked suggests, you only use this for the initial store of locals; later reloads and stores should use normal addressing modes like [rsp+8]. We're not talking about trying to avoid mov loads/stores entirely, and we still want random access to the stack slots where we spilled local variables from registers!
Modern code generators avoid using PUSH. It is inefficient on today's processors because it modifies the stack pointer, that gums-up a super-scalar core. (Hans Passant)
This was true 15 years ago, but compilers are once again using push when optimizing for speed, not just code-size. Compilers already use push/pop for saving/restoring call-preserved registers they want to use, like rbx, and for pushing stack args (mostly in 32-bit mode; in 64-bit mode most args fit in registers). Both of these things could be done with mov, but compilers use push because it's more efficient than sub rsp,8 / mov [rsp], rbx. gcc has tuning options to avoid push/pop for these cases, enabled for -mtune=pentium3 and -mtune=pentium, and similar old CPUs, but not for modern CPUs.
Intel since Pentium-M and AMD since Bulldozer(?) have a "stack engine" that tracks the changes to RSP with zero latency and no ALU uops, for PUSH/POP/CALL/RET. Lots of real code was still using push/pop, so CPU designers added hardware to make it efficient. Now we can use them (carefully!) when tuning for performance. See Agner Fog's microarchitecture guide and instruction tables, and his asm optimization manual. They're excellent. (And other links in the x86 tag wiki.)
It's not perfect; reading RSP directly (when the offset from the value in the out-of-order core is nonzero) does cause a stack-sync uop to be inserted on Intel CPUs. e.g. push rax / mov [rsp-8], rdi is 3 total fused-domain uops: 2 stores and one stack-sync.
On function entry, the "stack engine" is already in a non-zero-offset state (from the call in the parent), so using some push instructions before the first direct reference to RSP costs no extra uops at all. (Unless we were tailcalled from another function with jmp, and that function didn't pop anything right before jmp.)
It's kind of funny that compilers have been using dummy push/pop instructions just to adjust the stack by 8 bytes for a while now, because it's so cheap and compact (if you're doing it once, not 10 times to allocate 80 bytes), but aren't taking advantage of it to store useful data. The stack is almost always hot in cache, and modern CPUs have very excellent store / load bandwidth to L1d.
int extfunc(int *,int *);
void foo() {
int a=1, b=2;
extfunc(&a, &b);
}
compiles with clang6.0 -O3 -march=haswell on the Godbolt compiler explorer See that link for all the rest of the code, and many different missed-optimizations and silly code-gen (see my comments in the C source pointing out some of them):
# compiled for the x86-64 System V calling convention:
# integer args in rdi, rsi (,rdx, rcx, r8, r9)
push rax # clang / ICC ALREADY use push instead of sub rsp,8
lea rdi, [rsp + 4]
mov dword ptr [rdi], 1 # 6 bytes: opcode + modrm + imm32
mov rsi, rsp # special case for lea rsi, [rsp + 0]
mov dword ptr [rsi], 2
call extfunc(int*, int*)
pop rax # and POP instead of add rsp,8
ret
And very similar code with gcc, ICC, and MSVC, sometimes with the instructions in a different order, or gcc reserving an extra 16B of stack space for no reason. (MSVC reserves more space because it's targeting the Windows x64 calling convention which reserves shadow space instead of having a red-zone).
clang saves code-size by using the LEA results for store addresses instead of repeating RSP-relative addresses (SIB+disp8). ICC and clang put the variables at the bottom of the space it reserved, so one of the addressing modes avoids a disp8. (With 3 variables, reserving 24 bytes instead of 8 was necessary, and clang didn't take advantage then.) gcc and MSVC miss this optimization.
But anyway, more optimal would be:
push 2 # only 2 bytes
lea rdi, [rsp + 4]
mov dword ptr [rdi], 1
mov rsi, rsp # special case for lea rsi, [rsp + 0]
call extfunc(int*, int*)
# ... later accesses would use [rsp] and [rsp+] if needed, not pop
pop rax # alternative to add rsp,8
ret
The push is an 8-byte store, and we overlap half of it. This is not a problem, CPUs can store-forward the unmodified low half efficiently even after storing the high half. Overlapping stores in general are not a problem, and in fact glibc's well-commented memcpy implementation uses two (potentially) overlapping loads + stores for small copies (up to the size of 2x xmm registers at least), to load everything then store everything without caring about whether or not there's overlap.
Note that in 64-bit mode, 32-bit push is not available. So we still have to reference rsp directly for the upper half of of the qword. But if our variables were uint64_t, or we didn't care about making them contiguous, we could just use push.
We have to reference RSP explicitly in this case to get pointers to the locals for passing to another function, so there's no getting around the extra stack-sync uop on Intel CPUs. In other cases maybe you just need to spill some function args for use after a call. (Although normally compilers will push rbx and mov rbx,rdi to save an arg in a call-preserved register, instead of spilling/reloading the arg itself, to shorten the critical path.)
I chose 2x 4-byte args so we could reach a 16-byte alignment boundary with 1 push, so we can optimize away the sub rsp, ## (or dummy push) entirely.
I could have used mov rax, 0x0000000200000001 / push rax, but 10-byte mov r64, imm64 takes 2 entries in the uop cache, and a lot of code-size.
gcc7 does know how to merge two adjacent stores, but chooses not to do that for mov in this case. If both constants had needed 32-bit immediates, it would have made sense. But if the values weren't actually constant at all, and came from registers, this wouldn't work while push / mov [rsp+4] would. (It wouldn't be worth merging values in a register with SHL + SHLD or whatever other instructions to turn 2 stores into 1.)
If you need to reserve space for more than one 8-byte chunk, and don't have anything useful to store there yet, definitely use sub instead of multiple dummy PUSHes after the last useful PUSH. But if you have useful stuff to store, push imm8 or push imm32, or push reg are good.
We can see more evidence of compilers using "canned" sequences with ICC output: it uses lea rdi, [rsp] in the arg setup for the call. It seems they didn't think to look for the special case of the address of a local being pointed to directly by a register, with no offset, allowing mov instead of lea. (mov is definitely not worse, and better on some CPUs.)
An interesting example of not making locals contiguous is a version of the above with 3 args, int a=1, b=2, c=3;. To maintain 16B alignment, we now need to offset 8 + 16*1 = 24 bytes, so we could do
bar3:
push 3
push 2 # don't interleave mov in here; extra stack-sync uops
push 1
mov rdi, rsp
lea rsi, [rsp+8]
lea rdx, [rdi+16] # relative to RDI to save a byte with probably no extra latency even if MOV isn't zero latency, at least not on the critical path
call extfunc3(int*,int*,int*)
add rsp, 24
ret
This is significantly smaller code-size than compiler-generated code, because mov [rsp+16], 2 has to use the mov r/m32, imm32 encoding, using a 4-byte immediate because there's no sign_extended_imm8 form of mov.
push imm8 is extremely compact, 2 bytes. mov dword ptr [rsp+8], 1 is 8 bytes: opcode + modrm + SIB + disp8 + imm32. (RSP as a base register always needs a SIB byte; the ModRM encoding with base=RSP is the escape code for a SIB byte existing. Using RBP as a frame pointer allows more compact addressing of locals (by 1 byte per insn), but takes an 3 extra instructions to set up / tear down, and ties up a register. But it avoids further access to RSP, avoiding stack-sync uops. It could actually be a win sometimes.)
One downside to leaving gaps between your locals is that it may defeat load or store merging opportunities later. If you (the compiler) need to copy 2 locals somewhere, you may be able to do it with a single qword load/store if they're adjacent. Compilers don't consider all the future tradeoffs for the function when deciding how to arrange locals on the stack, as far as I know. We want compilers to run quickly, and that means not always back-tracking to consider every possibility for rearranging locals, or various other things. If looking for an optimization would take quadratic time, or multiply the time taken for other steps by a significant constant, it had better be an important optimization. (IDK how hard it might be to implement a search for opportunities to use push, especially if you keep it simple and don't spend time optimizing the stack layout for it.)
However, assuming there are other locals which will be used later, we can allocate them in the gaps between any we spill early. So the space doesn't have to be wasted, we can simply come along later and use mov [rsp+12], eax to store between two 32-bit values we pushed.
A tiny array of long, with non-constant contents
int ext_longarr(long *);
void longarr_arg(long a, long b, long c) {
long arr[] = {a,b,c};
ext_longarr(arr);
}
gcc/clang/ICC/MSVC follow their normal pattern, and use mov stores:
longarr_arg(long, long, long): # @longarr_arg(long, long, long)
sub rsp, 24
mov rax, rsp # this is clang being silly
mov qword ptr [rax], rdi # it could have used [rsp] for the first store at least,
mov qword ptr [rax + 8], rsi # so it didn't need 2 reg,reg MOVs to avoid clobbering RDI before storing it.
mov qword ptr [rax + 16], rdx
mov rdi, rax
call ext_longarr(long*)
add rsp, 24
ret
But it could have stored an array of the args like this:
longarr_arg_handtuned:
push rdx
push rsi
push rdi # leave stack 16B-aligned
mov rsp, rdi
call ext_longarr(long*)
add rsp, 24
ret
With more args, we start to get more noticeable benefits especially in code-size when more of the total function is spent storing to the stack. This is a very synthetic example that does nearly nothing else. I could have used volatile int a = 1;, but some compilers treat that extra-specially.
Reasons for not building stack frames gradually
(probably wrong) Stack unwinding for exceptions, and debug formats, I think don't support arbitrary playing around with the stack pointer. So at least before making any call instructions, a function is supposed to have offset RSP as much as its going to for all future function calls in this function.
But that can't be right, because alloca and C99 variable-length arrays would violate that. There may be some kind of toolchain reason outside the compiler itself for not looking for this kind of optimization.
This gcc mailing list post about disabling -maccumulate-outgoing-args for tune=default (in 2014) was interesting. It pointed out that more push/pop led to larger unwind info (.eh_frame section), but that's metadata that's normally never read (if no exceptions), so larger total binary but smaller / faster code. Related: this shows what -maccumulate-outgoing-args does for gcc code-gen.
Obviously the examples I chose were trivial, where we're pushing the input parameters unmodified. More interesting would be when we calculate some things in registers from the args (and data they point to, and globals, etc.) before having a value we want to spill.
If you have to spill/reload anything between function entry and later pushes, you're creating extra stack-sync uops on Intel. On AMD, it could still be a win to do push rbx / blah blah / mov [rsp-32], eax (spill to the red zone) / blah blah / push rcx / imul ecx, [rsp-24], 12345 (reload the earlier spill from what's still the red-zone, with a different offset)
Mixing push and [rsp] addressing modes is less efficient (on Intel CPUs because of stack-sync uops), so compilers would have to carefully weight the tradeoffs to make sure they're not making things slower. sub / mov is well-known to work well on all CPUs, even though it can be costly in code-size, especially for small constants.
"It's hard to keep track of the offsets" is a totally bogus argument. It's a computer; re-calculating offsets from a changing reference is something it has to do anyway when using push to put function args on the stack. I think compilers could run into problems (i.e. need more special-case checks and code, making them compile slower) if they had more than 128B of locals, so you couldn't always mov store below RSP (into what's still the red-zone) before moving RSP down with future push instructions.
Compilers already consider multiple tradeoffs, but currently growing the stack frame gradually isn't one of the things they consider. push wasn't as efficient before Pentium-M introduce the stack engine, so efficient push even being available is a somewhat recent change as far as redesigning how compilers think about stack layout choices.
Having a mostly-fixed recipe for prologues and for accessing locals is certainly simpler.
pushorpopinstructions are better) could be wrong. Did you actually benchmark? BTW, what compiler flags have you used? Did you enable optimizations (which ones, how?)? Also, that could depend upon calling conventions and ABIs – Lizzettelizzievoid main(), instead ofint WinMain(int,int,int,int), trying to cut runtime out. For some reason it saves edi register before using it, I'm not sure if os really needs it after exit. – Agedpushis better) is wrong, or incredibly naive. At last cache misses matter much more. – Lizzettelizziepushandpop? It has been there since Sandy Bridge! – Jeninepop regto a single uop which runs only on the load port. Thus it definitely has a stack engine. Pentium II/III decode it to 2 uops; 1 ALU and 1 load. I was pretty sure it was P-M, and mostly dug up that link for a description of what the stack engine did (for other readers like Hans Passant who don't know about it). I shouldn't have implied that that link showed it was new in P-M. – Panthea