I know pip is a package manager for python packages. However, I saw the installation on IPython's website use conda to install IPython.
Can I use pip to install IPython? Why should I use conda as another python package manager when I already have pip?
What is the difference between pip and conda?
Quoting from the Conda blog:
Having been involved in the python world for so long, we are all aware of pip, easy_install, and virtualenv, but these tools did not meet all of our specific requirements. The main problem is that they are focused around Python, neglecting non-Python library dependencies, such as HDF5, MKL, LLVM, etc., which do not have a setup.py in their source code and also do not install files into Python’s site-packages directory.
So Conda is a packaging tool and installer that aims to do more than what pip does; handle library dependencies outside of the Python packages as well as the Python packages themselves. Conda also creates a virtual environment, like virtualenv does.
As such, Conda should be compared to Buildout perhaps, another tool that lets you handle both Python and non-Python installation tasks.
Because Conda introduces a new packaging format, you cannot use pip and Conda interchangeably; pip cannot install the Conda package format. You can use the two tools side by side (by installing pip with conda install pip) but they do not interoperate either.
Since writing this answer, Anaconda has published a new page on Understanding Conda and Pip, which echoes this as well:
This highlights a key difference between conda and pip. Pip installs Python packages whereas conda installs packages which may contain software written in any language. For example, before using pip, a Python interpreter must be installed via a system package manager or by downloading and running an installer. Conda on the other hand can install Python packages as well as the Python interpreter directly.
and further on
Occasionally a package is needed which is not available as a conda package but is available on PyPI and can be installed with pip. In these cases, it makes sense to try to use both conda and pip.
conda build, and it will create a re-usable package that you can share with others via binstar or similar. –
Durbar pip install. –
Springhalt conda screams at you not to use pip, since you'll break things. I would stick to one or the other. –
Colly keras using conda to run my python code on Ipython Nb then do I need to install keras using pip so that it runs on a simple .py file run in terminal. –
Sainthood pip if you already used conda to install Keras. –
Vincenza .py file in the terminal without using pip install library again to run it on my terminal. Right? –
Sainthood .egg-info or .dist-info directory, etc.). Saying one cannot use pip and conda interchangeably is probably overstated. It works best to create a python environment first with conda (which by default includes pip), and then use pip as a second step. You can still operate on the environment with conda after pip has mutated it. –
Charlena conda with pip, so they still can't be used interchangeably. No overstatement there. –
Vincenza Disclaimer: This answer describes the state of things as it was a decade ago, at that time pip did not support binary packages. Conda was specifically created to better support building and distributing binary packages, in particular data science libraries with C extensions. For reference, pip only gained widespread support for portable binary packages with wheels (pip 1.4 in 2013) and the manylinux1 specification (pip 8.1 in March 2016). See the more recent answer for more history.
Here is a short rundown:
conda build that builds packages from source, but conda install itself installs things from already built Conda packages.conda is an environment manager written in Python and is language-agnostic. conda environment management functions cover the functionality provided by venv, virtualenv, pipenv, pyenv, and other Python-specific package managers. You could use conda within an existing Python installation by pip installing it (though this is not recommended unless you have a good reason to use an existing installation). As of 2022, conda and pip are not fully aware of one another package management activities within a virtual environment, not are they interoperable for Python package management.
In both cases:
The first two bullet points of conda are really what make it advantageous over pip for many packages. Since pip installs from source, it can be painful to install things with it if you are unable to compile the source code (this is especially true on Windows, but it can even be true on Linux if the packages have some difficult C or FORTRAN library dependencies). conda installs from binary, meaning that someone (e.g., Continuum) has already done the hard work of compiling the package, and so the installation is easy.
There are also some differences if you are interested in building your own packages. For instance, pip is built on top of setuptools, whereas conda uses its own format, which has some advantages (like being static, and again, Python agnostic).
pip install --use-wheel <package> will install a built package. See here: wheel.readthedocs.org/en/latest. However my personal experience with wheel is that so few scientific wheel packages are available that it is purely academic. And of course pip install mostly doesn't work either on windows if your build environment isn't set up exactly right. So at the moment, conda ftw. –
Mistrust cmake and make commands that my Windows 10 system could not find, I had to revert back to Conda, which did everything for me. IMHO, the key takeout from asmeurer is this: "Part of the core philosophy of conda is that it leaves the potentially difficult compilation step to the package maintainer" –
Reinertson The other answers give a fair description of the details, but I want to highlight some high-level points.
pip is a package manager that facilitates installation, upgrade, and uninstallation of python packages. It also works with virtual python environments.
conda is a package manager for any software (installation, upgrade and uninstallation). It also works with virtual system environments.
One of the goals with the design of conda is to facilitate package management for the entire software stack required by users, of which one or more python versions may only be a small part. This includes low-level libraries, such as linear algebra, compilers, such as mingw on Windows, editors, version control tools like Hg and Git, or whatever else requires distribution and management.
For version management, pip allows you to switch between and manage multiple python environments.
Conda allows you to switch between and manage multiple general purpose environments across which multiple other things can vary in version number, like C-libraries, or compilers, or test-suites, or database engines and so on.
Conda is not Windows-centric, but on Windows it is by far the superior solution currently available when complex scientific packages requiring compilation are required to be installed and managed.
I want to weep when I think of how much time I have lost trying to compile many of these packages via pip on Windows, or debug failed pip install sessions when compilation was required.
As a final point, Continuum Analytics also hosts (free) binstar.org (now called anaconda.org) to allow regular package developers to create their own custom (built!) software stacks that their package-users will be able to conda install from.
Keras in my code, installed anaconda on my mac and Keras is both conda installed and pip installed. So, when running my code in terminal, how do I know which keras is being imported(the pip one or the conda one)? –
Sainthood (2021 UPDATE)
TL;DR Use pip, it's the official package manager since Python 3.
basics
pip is the default package manager for python
pip is built-in as of Python 3.0
Usage: python3 -m venv myenv; source myenv/bin/activate; python3 -m pip install requests
Packages are downloaded from pypi.org, the official public python repository
It can install precompiled binaries (wheels) when available, or source (tar/zip archive).
Compiled binaries are important because many packages are mixed Python/C/other with third-party dependencies and complex build chains. They MUST be distributed as binaries to be ready-to-use.
advanced
pip can actually install from any archive, wheel, or git/svn repo...
...that can be located on disk, or on a HTTP URL, or a personal pypi server.
pip install git+https://github.com/psf/[email protected] for example (it can be useful for testing patches on a branch).
pip install https://download.pytorch.org/whl/cpu/torch-1.9.0%2Bcpu-cp39-cp39-linux_x86_64.whl (that wheel is Python 3.9 on Linux).
when installing from source, pip will automatically build the package. (it's not always possible, try building TensorFlow without the google build system :D)
binary wheels can be python-version specific and OS specific, see manylinux specification to maximize portability.
You are NOT permitted to use Anaconda or packages from Anaconda repositories for commercial use, unless you acquire a license.
Conda is a third party package manager from conda.
It's popularized by anaconda, a Python distribution including most common data science libraries ready-to-use.
You will use conda when you use anaconda.
Packages are downloaded from the anaconda repo.
It only installs precompiled packages.
Conda has its own format of packages. It doesn't use wheels.
conda install to install a package.
conda build to build a package.
conda can build the python interpreter (and other C packages it depends on). That's how an interpreter is built and bundled for anaconda.
conda allows to install and upgrade the Python interpreter (pip does not).
advanced
Historically, the selling point of conda was to support building and installing binary packages, because pip did not support binary packages very well (until wheels and manylinux2010 spec).
Emphasis on building packages. Conda has extensive build settings and it stores extensive metadata, to work with dependencies and build chains.
Some projects use conda to initiate complex build systems and generate a wheel, that is published to pypi.org for pip.
easy_install and the first releases of pip.easy_install was yet another package manager, that preceded pip and conda. It was removed in setuptools v58.3 (year 2021).import mypackage would have to look for mypackage.py in potentially hundreds of directories (how many libraries were installed?). That was slow and not friendly to the filesystem cache.Historically, the above three tools were open-source and written in Python. However the company behind conda updated their Terms of Service in 2020 to prohibit commercial usage, watch out!
Funfact: The only strictly-required dependency to build the Python interpreter is zlib (a zip library), because compression is necessary to load more packages. Eggs and wheels packages are zip files.
A good question.
Let's delve into the history of Python and computers. =D
Pure python packages have always worked fine with any of these packagers. The troubles were with not-only-Python packages.
Most of the code in the world depends on C. That is true for the Python interpreter, that is written in C. That is true for numerous Python packages, that are python wrappers around C libraries or projects mixing python/C/C++ code.
Anything that involves SSL, compression, GUI (X11 and Windows subsystems), math libraries, GPU, CUDA, etc... is typically coupled with some C code.
This creates troubles to package and distribute Python libraries because it's not just Python code that can run anywhere. The library must be compiled, compilation requires compilers and system libraries and third party libraries, then once compiled, the generated binary code only works for the specific system and python version it was compiled on.
Originally, python could distribute pure-python libraries just fine, but there was little support for distributing binary libraries. In and around 2010 you'd get a lot of errors trying to use numpy or cassandra. It downloaded the source and failed to compile, because of missing dependencies. Or it downloaded a prebuilt package (maybe an egg at the time) and it crashed with a SEGFAULT when used, because it was built for another system. It was a nightmare.
This was resolved by pip and wheels from 2012 onward. Then wait many years for people to adopt the tools and for the tools to propagate to stable Linux distributions (many developers rely on /usr/bin/python). The issues with binary packages extended to the late 2010s.
For reference, that's why the first command to run is python3 -m venv myvenv && source myvenv/bin/activate && pip install --upgrade pip setuptools on antiquated systems, because the OS comes with an old python+pip from 5 years ago that's buggy and can't recognize the current package format.
Conda worked on their own solution in parallel. Anaconda was specifically meant to make data science libraries easy to use out-of-the-box (data science = C and C++ everywhere), hence they had to come up with a package manager specifically meant to address building and distributing binary packages, conda.
If you install any package with pip install xxx nowadays, it just works. That's the recommended way to install packages and it's built-in in current versions of Python.
conda software is BSD3 and all Conda Forge packages have permissive licensing (BSD3 on recipes; original licenses on software). The linking of "the anaconda repo" to specifically the Conda Forge channel is misleading - anaconda.org hosts many channels and only the anaconda, main, r, and free channels fall under the restricted Anaconda licensing. –
Skutchan Not to confuse you further, but you can also use pip within your conda environment, which validates the general vs. python specific managers comments above.
conda install -n testenv pip
source activate testenv
pip <pip command>
you can also add pip to default packages of any environment so it is present each time so you don't have to follow the above snippet.
fully supported? fully recommended implies, better to use pip than conda, within a conda enviornment, to my mind,a nd I'm not sure that is what you/they mean? –
Thankful pip install -r requirements.txt, and similar) –
Thankful Quote from Conda for Data Science article onto Continuum's website:
Conda vs pip
Python programmers are probably familiar with pip to download packages from PyPI and manage their requirements. Although, both conda and pip are package managers, they are very different:
- Pip is specific for Python packages and conda is language-agnostic, which means we can use conda to manage packages from any language Pip compiles from source and conda installs binaries, removing the burden of compilation
- Conda creates language-agnostic environments natively whereas pip relies on virtualenv to manage only Python environments Though it is recommended to always use conda packages, conda also includes pip, so you don’t have to choose between the two. For example, to install a python package that does not have a conda package, but is available through pip, just run, for example:
conda install pip
pip install gensim
pip install your_package LAST to maintain the environment integrity, because pip does not do environment package integrity checking after it (greedily) installs packages. For more information see: docs.conda.io/projects/conda/en/latest/user-guide/tasks/… –
Pirozzo pip is a package manager.
conda is both a package manager and an environment manager.
Detail:
Dependency check
Pip and conda also differ in how dependency relationships within an environment are fulfilled. When installing packages, pip installs dependencies in a recursive, serial loop. No effort is made to ensure that the dependencies of all packages are fulfilled simultaneously. This can lead to environments that are broken in subtle ways, if packages installed earlier in the order have incompatible dependency versions relative to packages installed later in the order. In contrast, conda uses a satisfiability (SAT) solver to verify that all requirements of all packages installed in an environment are met. This check can take extra time but helps prevent the creation of broken environments. As long as package metadata about dependencies is correct, conda will predictably produce working environments.
References
ERROR: package-a 0.5.9 has requirement package-b~=0.2.0, but you'll have package-b 1.0.1 which is incompatible. (much faster than conda). –
Pentagrid Quoting from Conda: Myths and Misconceptions (a comprehensive description):
...
Reality: Conda and pip serve different purposes, and only directly compete in a small subset of tasks: namely installing Python packages in isolated environments.
Pip, which stands for Pip Installs Packages, is Python's officially-sanctioned package manager, and is most commonly used to install packages published on the Python Package Index (PyPI). Both pip and PyPI are governed and supported by the Python Packaging Authority (PyPA).
In short, pip is a general-purpose manager for Python packages; conda is a language-agnostic cross-platform environment manager. For the user, the most salient distinction is probably this: pip installs python packages within any environment; conda installs any package within conda environments. If all you are doing is installing Python packages within an isolated environment, conda and pip+virtualenv are mostly interchangeable, modulo some difference in dependency handling and package availability. By isolated environment I mean a conda-env or virtualenv, in which you can install packages without modifying your system Python installation.
Even setting aside Myth #2, if we focus on just installation of Python packages, conda and pip serve different audiences and different purposes. If you want to, say, manage Python packages within an existing system Python installation, conda can't help you: by design, it can only install packages within conda environments. If you want to, say, work with the many Python packages which rely on external dependencies (NumPy, SciPy, and Matplotlib are common examples), while tracking those dependencies in a meaningful way, pip can't help you: by design, it manages Python packages and only Python packages.
Conda and pip are not competitors, but rather tools focused on different groups of users and patterns of use.
For WINDOWS users
"standard" packaging tools situation is improving recently:
on pypi itself, there are now 48% of wheel packages as of sept. 11th 2015 (up from 38% in may 2015 , 24% in sept. 2014),
the wheel format is now supported out-of-the-box per latest python 2.7.9,
"standard"+"tweaks" packaging tools situation is improving also:
you can find nearly all scientific packages on wheel format at http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs,
the mingwpy project may bring one day a 'compilation' package to windows users, allowing to install everything from source when needed.
"Conda" packaging remains better for the market it serves, and highlights areas where the "standard" should improve.
(also, the dependency specification multiple-effort, in standard wheel system and in conda system, or buildout, is not very pythonic, it would be nice if all these packaging 'core' techniques could converge, via a sort of PEP)
To answer the original question,
For installing packages, PIP and Conda are different ways to accomplish the same thing. Both are standard applications to install packages. The main difference is the source of the package files.
An important cautionary side note: If you use both sources (pip and conda) to install packages in the same environment, this may cause issues later.
Best practice is to select one application, PIP or Conda, to install packages, and use that application to install any packages you need. However, there are many exceptions or reasons to still use pip from within a conda environment, and vice versa. For example:
Can I use pip to install iPython?
Sure, both (first approach on page)
pip install ipython
and (third approach, second is conda)
You can manually download IPython from GitHub or PyPI. To install one of these versions, unpack it and run the following from the top-level source directory using the Terminal:
pip install .
are officially recommended ways to install.
Why should I use conda as another python package manager when I already have pip?
As said here:
If you need a specific package, maybe only for one project, or if you need to share the project with someone else, conda seems more appropriate.
Conda surpasses pip in (YMMV)
What is the difference between pip and conda?
That is extensively answered by everyone else.
While the other answers highlight the targets and benefits of pip/conda, it may also be of interest to point out their problems from a packaging perspective.
The main problem with pip is that common C extension libraries aren't shared between multiple packages. This means bindings packages have to build and bundle their whole extension dependency tree, which isn't elegant. It consumes more disk space than necessary, and security fixes for base libraries can't be managed from a top level, but need to be assessed for each extension package separately.
Conda, on the other hand, works at sysroot level and can share libraries across language boundaries. While this is a great idea, conda packaging has many problems in practice. IMHO this is not due to a fault in the principle, but in the implementation of conda.
Conda follows a packaging model where not the actual project authors publish to the main channel, but instead packaging is done using "recipe feedstocks" managed by a third party. This means updates have to be done manually, and newer or less popular packages will often not be available. Many packages are not regularly updated, so builds may be missing and the head version outdated. Further, third-party packaging can in some cases lead to a degradation of quality (e.g. ABI safety problems). It is the original authors who know best how to properly build/configure their package, not third parties.
Conda also causes a lot of packaging duplication due to lack of interoperability with PyPA style packages. This seems unnecessary in principle - why could conda not just provide a compatibility layer that would allow to specify dependency on a PyPA package? All the metadata would be in there, just using different conventions. But the reality is conda doesn't, and there have been no real motions to change this for a long time. However, this could greatly reduce the maintenance effort for pure-python packages, and be helpful for certain extension projects that would take a very significant effort to conda package.
Support for direct packaging from upstream projects is poor in general. It is somewhat possible with custom channels, but badly since end users have to determine the individual channels and enable the whole channel tree manually. Moreover, the build tools seem to be slow and inflexible, being very centered around the feedstock use case and native hosts.
Another limitation of conda is that its environments concept cannot truly fix the "Dependency hell" problem. It does not enable you to address conflicts by installing multiple versions of a package in parallel in the same environment.
Virtual envs are a long-known concept and equally available in the PyPA world. Nowadays pip also provides a full dependency resolver.
pip is for Python only
conda is only for Anaconda + other scientific packages like R dependencies etc. NOT everyone needs Anaconda that already comes with Python. Anaconda is mostly for those who do Machine learning/deep learning etc. Casual Python dev won't run Anaconda on his laptop.
I may have found one further difference of a minor nature. I have my python environments under /usr rather than /home or whatever. In order to install to it, I would have to use sudo install pip. For me, the undesired side effect of sudo install pip was slightly different than what are widely reported elsewhere: after doing so, I had to run python with sudo in order to import any of the sudo-installed packages. I gave up on that and eventually found I could use sudo conda to install packages to an environment under /usr which then imported normally without needing sudo permission for python. I even used sudo conda to fix a broken pip rather than using sudo pip uninstall pip or sudo pip --upgrade install pip.
Artificial Intelligence and Large Language Models rely heavily on FOSS packages like PyTorch, Tensorflow, and other data science frameworks for developing and training models for new applications.
Many AI and data analytics packages like JupyterLab are complex mixtures of Python, Javascript, HTML, C, C++, Node.js, TypeScript, SQL, and other languages. Lately Go and Rust are bundled in some of these. Anaconda is not needed for any of these projects. The conda tools are Free Open Source Software (FOSS), which means NO payments to Anaconda EVER.
What I love is that CONDA makes it all work together using only Python. I don't have to use a complex compilation process to get it working.
IT JUST WORKS!
SPEED MATTERS. SIZE MATTERS. The complaints about conda slowness are valid, especially when 100s of packages are involved. It can takes hours for complex or outdated packages to install in a new conda environment if you don't follow good practices. It helps a lot to do a little up-front work to install outdated or non-mainstream packages first, so that conda determine the remaining packages required to match outdated but necessary packages.
ORDER MATTERS. I ran into the ordering problem recently trying to reuse many AI packages that require OpenAI v0.28.1. OpenAI released its v1.x series of total API rewrites that broke 100s of packages without warning or migration tools included beforehand. OpenAI released new breaking releases and bug fixes every few days. So rather than trying to change airplane engines after takeoff, it was better to use the stable v0.28.1 production release. We started by conda installing the OpenAI v0.28.1 first and then installing everything else, this fixed the problem in minutes with minimal effort. Their suggested upgrade path requires an out-of-channel AI solution ("grit"), with a paid commercial license for large scale production use. Now the onus is on OpenAI to provide a regular conda package for developers to upgrade their products. Until then developers can use v0.28.1 from conda-forge. Order matters, as does orderliness. the "conda search" command helps you figure which package is likely to be your bottleneck.
To address speed issues for solving complex conda environments, I have used Mamba. Mamba is a C++ rewrite of the conda core solver that uses the full conda command set that I use. Mamba is usually just as fast as complex pip installs. The error reporting from mamba is better than pip, and it does result in catastrophic failures and damage to conda environments, like pip can cause without warning. Mamba can be tricky to set up right now, because it requires a separate installation and the documentation is not very complete yet. IMHO, the Mamba installer must be provided as a regular conda package, not as a separate installation.
Most power tools take a little time to master. It still amazes me that I can reuse the efforts of 100s of other developers in so many languages, with so little effort.
© 2022 - 2024 — McMap. All rights reserved.
conda/enpgkis targeted atnew users who want to get up and running with minimal effort: canopy/anaconda are standalone environement, that do not interfere with system python (like venv but more powerfull). BTW IPyhton, not iPython (upper case I) – Tasiaconda install conda pipfirst? – Springhaltconda create --name myenv python==3.9 conda pip. Then activateconda activate myenv, and then you can use pip install. Conda is aware of the pip-installed packages, and will still update packages that it installs, but it will not update the pip-installed packages. – Pirozzo