What is the difference betweet Netduino and .NET Gadgeteer?

Question

I wanted to learn .NET Microframework and found that there is (among others) Netduino which is somehow compatible with Arduino. Recently .NET Gadgeteer came to public. There was a lot of enthusiasm, so it looks like important step for .NET Microframework.

Is it possible to compare them somehow? I'm not sure for what tasks is better Netduino and for what tasks Gadgeteer. Or are they in fact completely different beasts?
I'm unable to read this from information available on home pages, because there are mostly marketing materials.

Infamy

Answer 1

Netduino (and other HW boards, including GHI's FEZ products) are HW devices with an MicroProcessor running .NET Microframework - but in an form factor that resembles Ardunio, meaning you can plug other boards (or shields) on top of the mainboard to extend its functionality.

.NET Gadgeteer is something different:

• .NET Gadgeteer Hardware

  • A .NET Gadgeteer system is composed of a mainboard containing an embedded processor and a variety of modules which connect to the mainboard through a simple plug-and-play interface. There are lots of .NET Gadgeteer modules available today: display, camera, networking, storage, input controls, and more modules are being designed all the time!

  • The .NET Gadgeteer mainboard's sockets are numbered, and each is labeled with one or more letters which indicate which modules can be plugged into it CPU is more powerful than Netduino class of devices.

• Gadgeteer runtime

  • Gadgeteer is 100% C# managed code so it is not tied to any firmware (C++ code). http://gadgeteer.codeplex.com/

  • It is an “Open socket-connections standard". You can get a module from company x, another module from company y and use both on mainboard from company z, even if you didn't have design files. All will work together nicely. Of course someone may come up with an advanced model that requires special software but mostly modules will simply work.

  • You can even make your own modules to go on any mainboard...this is the beauty of gadgeteer. Think of this as "arduino shield like" but better since there is no pin overlapping and you are not limited to couple shields before the board is too long to be usable. You could even take the gadgeteer socket standard and use it on a board that is not running NETMF at all , but you will lose all the nice software gadgeteer provides.

• For details about the runtime check out the documents at Codeplex, http://gadgeteer.codeplex.com/releases/view/72208

For more information check out:

• http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/gadgeteer/default.aspx
• http://channel9.msdn.com/coding4fun/blog/Along-came-a-spider-a-NET-Gadgeteer-FEZ-Spider
• http://www.ghielectronics.com/catalog/product/297/
• http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Clint/NET-Gadgeteer

Overalls

Gadgeteer = mainboard & plug-and-play modules. Netduino = board with plugable boards. From HW view it is almost the same, isn't it? – Infamy

Not completely, but in HW view its very similar. As far as I understand it you should be able to chain the the Gadgeteer modules - and also interconnect units from different vendors, makeing it more powerfull and flexible (potential more ekspensive though) – Overalls

Did you have to tell me about this? Now I've got wood for a product I can't buy yet (FEZ Hydra) because instead of 64K it has 16M not to mention an ARM9 instead of an ARM7. I am so sick of "Out of Memory" on my netduino... – Glutathione

Answer 2

Netduino Go was recently released...supporting both Arduino Shield and Gadgeteer module pin compatibility. It also supports plug-and-play go!bus modules.

A few clarifications on Gadgeteer and Netduino:

• Gadgeteer, from a hardware perspective, is a pin-assignment technology like Arduino Shields. There's a similar level of simplicity/complexity to it as with Arduino shields (i.e. overlapping pins, peripherals that go away on one socket when you plug in modules on another socket, fixed number of peripheral features, etc.) In contrast to Arduino, only a subset of Gadgeteer modules will work with a given Gadgeteer mainboard. But with Gadgeteer, you get multiple pin interfaces so there's less pin overlapping.
• Netduino Go uses plug-and-play style modules. The go!bus protocol that Netduino Go uses is virtual I/O...so when you plug in a go!bus module it auto-enumerates and adds its features to the mainboard. Similar to how USB works on your computer. No overlapping pins or module limitations.
• Netduino Go also has a compatibility mode where you can plug in Gadgeteer modules to up to two sockets. Like with other Gadgeteer-compatible boards, plugging in a module disables functionality on one or more other sockets.
• Netduino Go has six times the code storage (1MB, 384KB for code), four times the speed (168MHz), and twice the RAM (100KB+) of Netduino Plus.

More info on Netduino Go:
http://forums.netduino.com/index.php?/topic/3867-introducing-netduino-go/

More info on Gadgeteer:
http://gadgeteer.codeplex.com/

Chris
Secret Labs LLC

Calcariferous

Recently the Gadgeteer Adapter module was announced. This will allow even more Gadgeteer modules to be used with the Netduino Go! forums.netduino.com/index.php?/topic/5764-the-gobus-upgrade – Fassold

Answer 3

Netduino is built with the open source hardware movement in mind and is compatible with existing Arduino shields while allowing you to use the .NET Micro framework to program it. This allows you to leverage existing experience with .NET on that platform instead of having to go through another language.

.NET Gadgeteer is a completely different take on the hardware with a specific set of hardware created for it that is modular and standardized.

Think Netduino as an Erector set and .NET Gadgeteer as Legos. You can build stuff with both of them but one is a bit more powerful if you want to apply what you have created to a broader set of problems.

Initial startup costs to get involved are also cheaper with Netduino.

See: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/91-hardware/2819-net-gadgeteer-an-alternative-to-arduino.html

Accumulator

The Erector set versus Lego analogy is pretty good but it would be more accurate to say think Gadgeteer as a Lego Mindstorm set and Netduino as an Erector set you are obliged to use inside a matchbox. FEZ Hydra: 16 megabytes. Netduino: 64K (0.059M). – Glutathione

Answer 4

Really the only downside to the Netduino Go is the current lack of networking as at end May 2012.

Chris has already said (elsewhere) that this is only weeks away, and when it ships I suspect the Go will be the go, as it were. It is to Gadgeteer as C# is to Java - more or less the same but done better with the benefit of hindsight. Looking around the forums I see other platforms with either uneven hardware compatibility or mediocre driver quality.

There's also a possibility of onboard RTC. Not a certainty, but you never know your luck in the big city.

Something Chris (and the Gadgeteer guys) don't take enough credit for is the computer-as-a-network approach Gadgeteer and Go both take. The network stack on a single CPU system like the NetduinoPlus can never perform like one that has dedicated CPU with its own buffer, and pushing the network stack onto its own board gets it out of your application code space. I suspect that the Go, running on a Cortex M3 with a supporting cast of Cortex M0s smoothly integrated by the crunchy goodness of baked in virtualisation, is going to feel like developing on a much larger machine.

Some things none of the prototyping boards do well are

• Hardware watchdog reboot for hung application code
• OTAU (over the air update)

You need both of those for release grade hardware, which I guess means rolling your own. Netduino Go and Gadgeteer expressly support the notion of roll your own modules.

Glutathione

Just have to lol. 2 years later and people are still wondering when go will have network support (forums.netduino.com/index.php?/topic/…) – Ortrud

Interesting. Personally I have continued with the NP2. – Glutathione